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		<title>By: Be My Guest Weekend Open Trackbacks &#124; Adam's Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Be My Guest Weekend Open Trackbacks &#124; Adam's Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 15:54:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] High Desert WandererFault Line USA: [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Right Wing Nation</title>
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		<dc:creator>Right Wing Nation</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jan 2007 14:58:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] HDW, while reporting the latest Microsoft screw-up with Outlook, says: If youâ€™re using the MS suite, and youâ€™re thinking of upgradingâ€¦ I have a word for you. Thunderbird. Download it, use it. A very good e-mail solution. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] HDW, while reporting the latest Microsoft screw-up with Outlook, says: If youâ€™re using the MS suite, and youâ€™re thinking of upgradingâ€¦ I have a word for you. Thunderbird. Download it, use it. A very good e-mail solution. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Luke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Luke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jan 2007 02:25:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David, this is not the reason. If they worried about malicious code embedded in HTML all they have to do is to disable rendering of HTML by default and make users agree to render it. Most email clients including the Gmail interface already block images embedded in emails by default so this should be no big shock to users.

I&#039;m suspecting that real reason here is that integrating IE7 engine and Outlook 2007 under Vista will be a royal pain in the ass. Most likely this is due to IE7 team really trying (and failing) to outdo Firefox, and Office 2007 team getting really bored and inventing some crazy ribbon bullshit and inventing retarded semi-open-but-not-really XML formats instead of doing something actually useful - like implementing ODF support.

I would love to see OpenOffice.org becoming the next Firefox. The only way we can actually make MS act like a normal company, and even briefly consider actual consumer needs is to put heat on them. Firefox did just that - so lo-and behold: after years of inactivity Microsoft actually came out with a browser that can actually do half of the things Firefox could do when it was still called Firebird. :P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David, this is not the reason. If they worried about malicious code embedded in HTML all they have to do is to disable rendering of HTML by default and make users agree to render it. Most email clients including the Gmail interface already block images embedded in emails by default so this should be no big shock to users.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m suspecting that real reason here is that integrating IE7 engine and Outlook 2007 under Vista will be a royal pain in the ass. Most likely this is due to IE7 team really trying (and failing) to outdo Firefox, and Office 2007 team getting really bored and inventing some crazy ribbon bullshit and inventing retarded semi-open-but-not-really XML formats instead of doing something actually useful &#8211; like implementing ODF support.</p>
<p>I would love to see OpenOffice.org becoming the next Firefox. The only way we can actually make MS act like a normal company, and even briefly consider actual consumer needs is to put heat on them. Firefox did just that &#8211; so lo-and behold: after years of inactivity Microsoft actually came out with a browser that can actually do half of the things Firefox could do when it was still called Firebird. :P</p>
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		<title>By: 123beta</title>
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		<dc:creator>123beta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jan 2007 22:51:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Opentrack Weekend #37...&lt;/strong&gt;

I&#039;m starting the OTA early because I&#039;m likely to be unavailable most of the weekend. Just leave a post and you&#039;ll get a trackback ping from me. Since I send trackbacks manually, it may take awhile for it to show up......</description>
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<p>I&#8217;m starting the OTA early because I&#8217;m likely to be unavailable most of the weekend. Just leave a post and you&#8217;ll get a trackback ping from me. Since I send trackbacks manually, it may take awhile for it to show up&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://highdesertwanderer.com/archives/643/comment-page-1#comment-8088</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jan 2007 17:07:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I, too, am no fan of Me$$y$oft products in general. Indeed, I am slowly moving off Windows as my primary platform (although I am posting this from a Win2K machine).

I also do not use Firebird much or Thunderbird at all (although I did use T- Bird for nearly a year and find it nearly as capable as some versions of Outlook, and more capable in a few limited areas). I find Opera&#039;s built-in email client to be  sufficient to my email needs, MUCh safer than alternatives and surpassingly more user-friendly in managing/searching my email.

But all that aside, I&#039;ll give you one (of a few) very good reason Me$$y$oft might limit html functionality in OL07: malicious embedded code. Sure, one &lt;i&gt;can&lt;/i&gt; rely on one&#039;s security software to nuke malicious embedded code, but Me$$y$oft has recognized that they are the 500-lb gorilla target for malkware writers and that OL is a prime target--especially since naive or lazy users will infect themselves any chance they can get anyway (and blame it on Me$$y$oft&#039;s admittely &quot;holey&quot; code). Why give malware writers any more vectors than necessary?

Now, admittedly, I&#039;d like to see full html capabilities in a secure email client, but Me$$y$oft&#039;s not going to come up with such a critter, so this is a compromise: limited html capabilities in a vulnerable app used by lazy and naive users worldwide, the kind who&#039;d infect themselves at the drop of a hat if someone didn&#039;t try to frustrate their attempts to &quot;innocently&quot; spread viruses, trojans and worms, Oh! My! via their lax email handling, which includes, but is by no means limited to, NOT EVEN UPDATING (or in many cases HAVING) their security software on a regular basis. (I guess I could count up the  numbers of folks whose machines I&#039;ve cleaned who do not even have active anti-virus software, let alone up-to-date AV and firewalls, etc., but I&#039;d be counting a long, long time. *heh*)

Limiting the embedded code opportunities doesn&#039;t do anything to prevent such users from CLICKing on links that will take them places where they can freely infect themselves, but it does (slightly) hamper malware writers&#039; ability to use html emails to spread their lil wares.

Again, I&#039;d rather see a better, more secure email client that had full html rendering capabilities, but it ain&#039;t gonna come from Me$$y$oft... and Thunderbird, while better in &lt;strike&gt;some&lt;/strike&gt; many ways, is not it either.

(BTW, referring to my use of Opera, above, I&#039;ve found it alone to be sufficient to my browsing, email, and RSS needs. As a one-stop Swiss Army Knife internet app, it does all three of those things very, very well. Yeh, simple html, though better than I&#039;ve seen from OL07. And some sites still snoop for IE more thoroughly than others--although the &quot;Mask as IE&quot; function almost always spoofs those--but I really no longer see a reason for standalone apps for email, browsing and RSS reading, cos Opera does all those better, IMO, than the standalones/integrated functions from Me$$y$oft and from Mozilla. YMMV.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I, too, am no fan of Me$$y$oft products in general. Indeed, I am slowly moving off Windows as my primary platform (although I am posting this from a Win2K machine).</p>
<p>I also do not use Firebird much or Thunderbird at all (although I did use T- Bird for nearly a year and find it nearly as capable as some versions of Outlook, and more capable in a few limited areas). I find Opera&#8217;s built-in email client to be  sufficient to my email needs, MUCh safer than alternatives and surpassingly more user-friendly in managing/searching my email.</p>
<p>But all that aside, I&#8217;ll give you one (of a few) very good reason Me$$y$oft might limit html functionality in OL07: malicious embedded code. Sure, one <i>can</i> rely on one&#8217;s security software to nuke malicious embedded code, but Me$$y$oft has recognized that they are the 500-lb gorilla target for malkware writers and that OL is a prime target&#8211;especially since naive or lazy users will infect themselves any chance they can get anyway (and blame it on Me$$y$oft&#8217;s admittely &#8220;holey&#8221; code). Why give malware writers any more vectors than necessary?</p>
<p>Now, admittedly, I&#8217;d like to see full html capabilities in a secure email client, but Me$$y$oft&#8217;s not going to come up with such a critter, so this is a compromise: limited html capabilities in a vulnerable app used by lazy and naive users worldwide, the kind who&#8217;d infect themselves at the drop of a hat if someone didn&#8217;t try to frustrate their attempts to &#8220;innocently&#8221; spread viruses, trojans and worms, Oh! My! via their lax email handling, which includes, but is by no means limited to, NOT EVEN UPDATING (or in many cases HAVING) their security software on a regular basis. (I guess I could count up the  numbers of folks whose machines I&#8217;ve cleaned who do not even have active anti-virus software, let alone up-to-date AV and firewalls, etc., but I&#8217;d be counting a long, long time. *heh*)</p>
<p>Limiting the embedded code opportunities doesn&#8217;t do anything to prevent such users from CLICKing on links that will take them places where they can freely infect themselves, but it does (slightly) hamper malware writers&#8217; ability to use html emails to spread their lil wares.</p>
<p>Again, I&#8217;d rather see a better, more secure email client that had full html rendering capabilities, but it ain&#8217;t gonna come from Me$$y$oft&#8230; and Thunderbird, while better in <strike>some</strike> many ways, is not it either.</p>
<p>(BTW, referring to my use of Opera, above, I&#8217;ve found it alone to be sufficient to my browsing, email, and RSS needs. As a one-stop Swiss Army Knife internet app, it does all three of those things very, very well. Yeh, simple html, though better than I&#8217;ve seen from OL07. And some sites still snoop for IE more thoroughly than others&#8211;although the &#8220;Mask as IE&#8221; function almost always spoofs those&#8211;but I really no longer see a reason for standalone apps for email, browsing and RSS reading, cos Opera does all those better, IMO, than the standalones/integrated functions from Me$$y$oft and from Mozilla. YMMV.)</p>
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